15555-10253-closing-a-gap-to-normal-hearing---white-paper.pdf

[Nick Thompson]

Hi, Everybody,

 

In the home congregation, we have had many interesting conversations about hearing in difficult environments, a conversation not only of intense interest to people interested in computer analysis and representation of sounds but also to a bunch of old guys shouting at each other in a crowded college dining area surrounded by hard surfaces.  Recently, we have been trying to assemble our limited knowledge of the cochlea and to grasp the fact that it is not a bank of discrete resonators doing a Fourier Transform, but an innervated sliver of meat with liquid on both sides coiled up in a tiny snail shell.   We are eager for any signs that a hearing aid company has started to reach beyond differential amplification by means of FFT to actually focusing on the cues that really matter for speech comprehension.   

 

Anyway, …. Anyway….. .  I skimmed through the “white paper” below and thought that, even though it is “captive” research, it had some interesting features.  Consequently, I thought I would pass it around to the list before I lost track of it.  My friend Jon Zingale accuses me of crowd sourcing my reading and that is EXACTLY what I am doing.  So, beware.

 

https://wdh.azureedge.net/-/media/oticon-us/main/download-center/white-papers/15555-10253-closing-a-gap-to-normal-hearing---white-paper.pdf?la=en&rev=0FC7&hash=B7D7D58F75093770CA7E148F72520C1D6BE28CB1

If anybody on the list knows of somebody doing advanced research on how the cochlea passes sound on to the brain and how the brain analyses it, we would love to hear from that person. 

 

And has for you young folks who think this will never happen to you:  have you noticed that your students and young associates and your daughter’s boyfriends MUMBLE.  The moment you find yourself saying, “Curse these millennials, why don’t they speak up like normal people,” you should be taking an interest in hearing technology.

 

Just sayin’

 

N

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[Frank Wimberly-2]

Nick,

Have you read about cochlear implant surgery?  When I worked at Eye and Ear Hospital of Pittsburgh, the lab I worked in was doing early research in the area.  These are pieces of hardware that transform sound into electrical signals meaningful to the brain.

Have you seen the videos of people who have been deaf since birth who get such a device.  They inevitably sob when they hear sound for the first time.

Frank

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 11:23 AM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, Everybody,

 

In the home congregation, we have had many interesting conversations about hearing in difficult environments, a conversation not only of intense interest to people interested in computer analysis and representation of sounds but also to a bunch of old guys shouting at each other in a crowded college dining area surrounded by hard surfaces.  Recently, we have been trying to assemble our limited knowledge of the cochlea and to grasp the fact that it is not a bank of discrete resonators doing a Fourier Transform, but an innervated sliver of meat with liquid on both sides coiled up in a tiny snail shell.   We are eager for any signs that a hearing aid company has started to reach beyond differential amplification by means of FFT to actually focusing on the cues that really matter for speech comprehension.   

 

Anyway, …. Anyway….. .  I skimmed through the “white paper” below and thought that, even though it is “captive” research, it had some interesting features.  Consequently, I thought I would pass it around to the list before I lost track of it.  My friend Jon Zingale accuses me of crowd sourcing my reading and that is EXACTLY what I am doing.  So, beware.

 

https://wdh.azureedge.net/-/media/oticon-us/main/download-center/white-papers/15555-10253-closing-a-gap-to-normal-hearing---white-paper.pdf?la=en&rev=0FC7&hash=B7D7D58F75093770CA7E148F72520C1D6BE28CB1

If anybody on the list knows of somebody doing advanced research on how the cochlea passes sound on to the brain and how the brain analyses it, we would love to hear from that person. 

 

And has for you young folks who think this will never happen to you:  have you noticed that your students and young associates and your daughter’s boyfriends MUMBLE.  The moment you find yourself saying, “Curse these millennials, why don’t they speak up like normal people,” you should be taking an interest in hearing technology.

 

Just sayin’

 

N

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[Frank Wimberly-2]

Except for the young children.  They some and laugh.

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 11:55 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

Nick,

Have you read about cochlear implant surgery?  When I worked at Eye and Ear Hospital of Pittsburgh, the lab I worked in was doing early research in the area.  These are pieces of hardware that transform sound into electrical signals meaningful to the brain.

Have you seen the videos of people who have been deaf since birth who get such a device.  They inevitably sob when they hear sound for the first time.

Frank

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 11:23 AM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, Everybody,

 

In the home congregation, we have had many interesting conversations about hearing in difficult environments, a conversation not only of intense interest to people interested in computer analysis and representation of sounds but also to a bunch of old guys shouting at each other in a crowded college dining area surrounded by hard surfaces.  Recently, we have been trying to assemble our limited knowledge of the cochlea and to grasp the fact that it is not a bank of discrete resonators doing a Fourier Transform, but an innervated sliver of meat with liquid on both sides coiled up in a tiny snail shell.   We are eager for any signs that a hearing aid company has started to reach beyond differential amplification by means of FFT to actually focusing on the cues that really matter for speech comprehension.   

 

Anyway, …. Anyway….. .  I skimmed through the “white paper” below and thought that, even though it is “captive” research, it had some interesting features.  Consequently, I thought I would pass it around to the list before I lost track of it.  My friend Jon Zingale accuses me of crowd sourcing my reading and that is EXACTLY what I am doing.  So, beware.

 

https://wdh.azureedge.net/-/media/oticon-us/main/download-center/white-papers/15555-10253-closing-a-gap-to-normal-hearing---white-paper.pdf?la=en&rev=0FC7&hash=B7D7D58F75093770CA7E148F72520C1D6BE28CB1

If anybody on the list knows of somebody doing advanced research on how the cochlea passes sound on to the brain and how the brain analyses it, we would love to hear from that person. 

 

And has for you young folks who think this will never happen to you:  have you noticed that your students and young associates and your daughter’s boyfriends MUMBLE.  The moment you find yourself saying, “Curse these millennials, why don’t they speak up like normal people,” you should be taking an interest in hearing technology.

 

Just sayin’

 

N

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[Frank Wimberly-2]

Some = smile.

Like this

https://youtu.be/EC4uJDLRleM

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 12:08 PM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

Except for the young children.  They some and laugh.

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 11:55 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

Nick,

Have you read about cochlear implant surgery?  When I worked at Eye and Ear Hospital of Pittsburgh, the lab I worked in was doing early research in the area.  These are pieces of hardware that transform sound into electrical signals meaningful to the brain.

Have you seen the videos of people who have been deaf since birth who get such a device.  They inevitably sob when they hear sound for the first time.

Frank

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 11:23 AM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, Everybody,

 

In the home congregation, we have had many interesting conversations about hearing in difficult environments, a conversation not only of intense interest to people interested in computer analysis and representation of sounds but also to a bunch of old guys shouting at each other in a crowded college dining area surrounded by hard surfaces.  Recently, we have been trying to assemble our limited knowledge of the cochlea and to grasp the fact that it is not a bank of discrete resonators doing a Fourier Transform, but an innervated sliver of meat with liquid on both sides coiled up in a tiny snail shell.   We are eager for any signs that a hearing aid company has started to reach beyond differential amplification by means of FFT to actually focusing on the cues that really matter for speech comprehension.   

 

Anyway, …. Anyway….. .  I skimmed through the “white paper” below and thought that, even though it is “captive” research, it had some interesting features.  Consequently, I thought I would pass it around to the list before I lost track of it.  My friend Jon Zingale accuses me of crowd sourcing my reading and that is EXACTLY what I am doing.  So, beware.

 

https://wdh.azureedge.net/-/media/oticon-us/main/download-center/white-papers/15555-10253-closing-a-gap-to-normal-hearing---white-paper.pdf?la=en&rev=0FC7&hash=B7D7D58F75093770CA7E148F72520C1D6BE28CB1

If anybody on the list knows of somebody doing advanced research on how the cochlea passes sound on to the brain and how the brain analyses it, we would love to hear from that person. 

 

And has for you young folks who think this will never happen to you:  have you noticed that your students and young associates and your daughter’s boyfriends MUMBLE.  The moment you find yourself saying, “Curse these millennials, why don’t they speak up like normal people,” you should be taking an interest in hearing technology.

 

Just sayin’

 

N

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[Nick Thompson]

I will have to look at these.  They can’t parse words on first hearing, can they?   Mike knows a little about this area and he has told me some, but I need to know more.  What I think he has told me is that a relatively primitive input with relatively few leads gives a tremendous benefit, much more than one would expect from the complexity of the cochlea itself. 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 12:08 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] 15555-10253-closing-a-gap-to-normal-hearing---white-paper.pdf

 

Except for the young children.  They some and laugh.

-----------------------------------
Frank Wimberly

My memoir:
https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly

My scientific publications:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2

Phone [phone]

 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 11:55 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

Nick,

 

Have you read about cochlear implant surgery?  When I worked at Eye and Ear Hospital of Pittsburgh, the lab I worked in was doing early research in the area.  These are pieces of hardware that transform sound into electrical signals meaningful to the brain.

 

Have you seen the videos of people who have been deaf since birth who get such a device.  They inevitably sob when they hear sound for the first time.

 

Frank

-----------------------------------
Frank Wimberly

My memoir:
https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly

My scientific publications:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2

Phone [phone]

 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 11:23 AM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, Everybody,

 

In the home congregation, we have had many interesting conversations about hearing in difficult environments, a conversation not only of intense interest to people interested in computer analysis and representation of sounds but also to a bunch of old guys shouting at each other in a crowded college dining area surrounded by hard surfaces.  Recently, we have been trying to assemble our limited knowledge of the cochlea and to grasp the fact that it is not a bank of discrete resonators doing a Fourier Transform, but an innervated sliver of meat with liquid on both sides coiled up in a tiny snail shell.   We are eager for any signs that a hearing aid company has started to reach beyond differential amplification by means of FFT to actually focusing on the cues that really matter for speech comprehension.   

 

Anyway, …. Anyway….. .  I skimmed through the “white paper” below and thought that, even though it is “captive” research, it had some interesting features.  Consequently, I thought I would pass it around to the list before I lost track of it.  My friend Jon Zingale accuses me of crowd sourcing my reading and that is EXACTLY what I am doing.  So, beware.

 

https://wdh.azureedge.net/-/media/oticon-us/main/download-center/white-papers/15555-10253-closing-a-gap-to-normal-hearing---white-paper.pdf?la=en&rev=0FC7&hash=B7D7D58F75093770CA7E148F72520C1D6BE28CB1

If anybody on the list knows of somebody doing advanced research on how the cochlea passes sound on to the brain and how the brain analyses it, we would love to hear from that person. 

 

And has for you young folks who think this will never happen to you:  have you noticed that your students and young associates and your daughter’s boyfriends MUMBLE.  The moment you find yourself saying, “Curse these millennials, why don’t they speak up like normal people,” you should be taking an interest in hearing technology.

 

Just sayin’

 

N

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[Frank Wimberly-2]

I think some people can understand speech pretty quickly but I don't know.  The babies probably learn to do so as well as their age peers but I don't know that either.  Mike probably knows.

Frank

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 1:04 AM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

I will have to look at these.  They can’t parse words on first hearing, can they?   Mike knows a little about this area and he has told me some, but I need to know more.  What I think he has told me is that a relatively primitive input with relatively few leads gives a tremendous benefit, much more than one would expect from the complexity of the cochlea itself. 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 12:08 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] 15555-10253-closing-a-gap-to-normal-hearing---white-paper.pdf

 

Except for the young children.  They some and laugh.

-----------------------------------
Frank Wimberly

My memoir:
https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly

My scientific publications:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2

Phone [phone]

 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 11:55 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

Nick,

 

Have you read about cochlear implant surgery?  When I worked at Eye and Ear Hospital of Pittsburgh, the lab I worked in was doing early research in the area.  These are pieces of hardware that transform sound into electrical signals meaningful to the brain.

 

Have you seen the videos of people who have been deaf since birth who get such a device.  They inevitably sob when they hear sound for the first time.

 

Frank

-----------------------------------
Frank Wimberly

My memoir:
https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly

My scientific publications:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2

Phone [phone]

 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 11:23 AM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, Everybody,

 

In the home congregation, we have had many interesting conversations about hearing in difficult environments, a conversation not only of intense interest to people interested in computer analysis and representation of sounds but also to a bunch of old guys shouting at each other in a crowded college dining area surrounded by hard surfaces.  Recently, we have been trying to assemble our limited knowledge of the cochlea and to grasp the fact that it is not a bank of discrete resonators doing a Fourier Transform, but an innervated sliver of meat with liquid on both sides coiled up in a tiny snail shell.   We are eager for any signs that a hearing aid company has started to reach beyond differential amplification by means of FFT to actually focusing on the cues that really matter for speech comprehension.   

 

Anyway, …. Anyway….. .  I skimmed through the “white paper” below and thought that, even though it is “captive” research, it had some interesting features.  Consequently, I thought I would pass it around to the list before I lost track of it.  My friend Jon Zingale accuses me of crowd sourcing my reading and that is EXACTLY what I am doing.  So, beware.

 

https://wdh.azureedge.net/-/media/oticon-us/main/download-center/white-papers/15555-10253-closing-a-gap-to-normal-hearing---white-paper.pdf?la=en&rev=0FC7&hash=B7D7D58F75093770CA7E148F72520C1D6BE28CB1

If anybody on the list knows of somebody doing advanced research on how the cochlea passes sound on to the brain and how the brain analyses it, we would love to hear from that person. 

 

And has for you young folks who think this will never happen to you:  have you noticed that your students and young associates and your daughter’s boyfriends MUMBLE.  The moment you find yourself saying, “Curse these millennials, why don’t they speak up like normal people,” you should be taking an interest in hearing technology.

 

Just sayin’

 

N

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[Nick Thompson]

Hi, Frank,

 

Mike knows a fair bit about all this stuff.  I think what he says is that, for a person who has never been able to hear, cochlear implants are a revelation, but for someone who has had normal hearing all his life and now has geriatric deficit, they aren’t worth it. 

 

Ask him.  He has a lot of interesting things to say about hearing, some of which I understood.

 

We just had our “cleaning out the refrigerator” fight.  It must be about 24 hours before flight time.  Time to confirm our reservations.

 

Nick

 

 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 11:56 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] 15555-10253-closing-a-gap-to-normal-hearing---white-paper.pdf

 

Nick,

 

Have you read about cochlear implant surgery?  When I worked at Eye and Ear Hospital of Pittsburgh, the lab I worked in was doing early research in the area.  These are pieces of hardware that transform sound into electrical signals meaningful to the brain.

 

Have you seen the videos of people who have been deaf since birth who get such a device.  They inevitably sob when they hear sound for the first time.

 

Frank

-----------------------------------
Frank Wimberly

My memoir:
https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly

My scientific publications:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2

Phone [phone]

 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 11:23 AM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, Everybody,

 

In the home congregation, we have had many interesting conversations about hearing in difficult environments, a conversation not only of intense interest to people interested in computer analysis and representation of sounds but also to a bunch of old guys shouting at each other in a crowded college dining area surrounded by hard surfaces.  Recently, we have been trying to assemble our limited knowledge of the cochlea and to grasp the fact that it is not a bank of discrete resonators doing a Fourier Transform, but an innervated sliver of meat with liquid on both sides coiled up in a tiny snail shell.   We are eager for any signs that a hearing aid company has started to reach beyond differential amplification by means of FFT to actually focusing on the cues that really matter for speech comprehension.   

 

Anyway, …. Anyway….. .  I skimmed through the “white paper” below and thought that, even though it is “captive” research, it had some interesting features.  Consequently, I thought I would pass it around to the list before I lost track of it.  My friend Jon Zingale accuses me of crowd sourcing my reading and that is EXACTLY what I am doing.  So, beware.

 

https://wdh.azureedge.net/-/media/oticon-us/main/download-center/white-papers/15555-10253-closing-a-gap-to-normal-hearing---white-paper.pdf?la=en&rev=0FC7&hash=B7D7D58F75093770CA7E148F72520C1D6BE28CB1

If anybody on the list knows of somebody doing advanced research on how the cochlea passes sound on to the brain and how the brain analyses it, we would love to hear from that person. 

 

And has for you young folks who think this will never happen to you:  have you noticed that your students and young associates and your daughter’s boyfriends MUMBLE.  The moment you find yourself saying, “Curse these millennials, why don’t they speak up like normal people,” you should be taking an interest in hearing technology.

 

Just sayin’

 

N

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[Frank Wimberly-2]

Mike's belief is consistent with what I have learned.   Cochlear implants are miraculous for those who've never been able to hear but not for acquired deafness.

Have a good trip.  Things in the reefer won't keep until you get back.

Frank

On Sat, May 25, 2019, 11:59 AM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, Frank,

 

Mike knows a fair bit about all this stuff.  I think what he says is that, for a person who has never been able to hear, cochlear implants are a revelation, but for someone who has had normal hearing all his life and now has geriatric deficit, they aren’t worth it. 

 

Ask him.  He has a lot of interesting things to say about hearing, some of which I understood.

 

We just had our “cleaning out the refrigerator” fight.  It must be about 24 hours before flight time.  Time to confirm our reservations.

 

Nick

 

 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 11:56 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] 15555-10253-closing-a-gap-to-normal-hearing---white-paper.pdf

 

Nick,

 

Have you read about cochlear implant surgery?  When I worked at Eye and Ear Hospital of Pittsburgh, the lab I worked in was doing early research in the area.  These are pieces of hardware that transform sound into electrical signals meaningful to the brain.

 

Have you seen the videos of people who have been deaf since birth who get such a device.  They inevitably sob when they hear sound for the first time.

 

Frank

-----------------------------------
Frank Wimberly

My memoir:
https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly

My scientific publications:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2

Phone [phone]

 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 11:23 AM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, Everybody,

 

In the home congregation, we have had many interesting conversations about hearing in difficult environments, a conversation not only of intense interest to people interested in computer analysis and representation of sounds but also to a bunch of old guys shouting at each other in a crowded college dining area surrounded by hard surfaces.  Recently, we have been trying to assemble our limited knowledge of the cochlea and to grasp the fact that it is not a bank of discrete resonators doing a Fourier Transform, but an innervated sliver of meat with liquid on both sides coiled up in a tiny snail shell.   We are eager for any signs that a hearing aid company has started to reach beyond differential amplification by means of FFT to actually focusing on the cues that really matter for speech comprehension.   

 

Anyway, …. Anyway….. .  I skimmed through the “white paper” below and thought that, even though it is “captive” research, it had some interesting features.  Consequently, I thought I would pass it around to the list before I lost track of it.  My friend Jon Zingale accuses me of crowd sourcing my reading and that is EXACTLY what I am doing.  So, beware.

 

https://wdh.azureedge.net/-/media/oticon-us/main/download-center/white-papers/15555-10253-closing-a-gap-to-normal-hearing---white-paper.pdf?la=en&rev=0FC7&hash=B7D7D58F75093770CA7E148F72520C1D6BE28CB1

If anybody on the list knows of somebody doing advanced research on how the cochlea passes sound on to the brain and how the brain analyses it, we would love to hear from that person. 

 

And has for you young folks who think this will never happen to you:  have you noticed that your students and young associates and your daughter’s boyfriends MUMBLE.  The moment you find yourself saying, “Curse these millennials, why don’t they speak up like normal people,” you should be taking an interest in hearing technology.

 

Just sayin’

 

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